Difference between revisions of "G2p Analysis Minutes"
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1)Recalculate some of the kinematics in the proposal using some new thickness | 1)Recalculate some of the kinematics in the proposal using some new thickness | ||
of materials which an electron will see. The results does not various | of materials which an electron will see. The results does not various | ||
| − | too much from those in the proposal. | + | too much from those in the proposal. Ryan will post his calculation into the elog later. |
*Toby: | *Toby: | ||
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Present : Jixie, Melissa, Min, Chao, Pengjia, Jianping, Alex, Masime | Present : Jixie, Melissa, Min, Chao, Pengjia, Jianping, Alex, Masime | ||
| − | By Phone: Karl, | + | By Phone: Karl, Ryan and Toby |
*Min: | *Min: | ||
1) Min found a suspicious parameter in the snake configuration file. | 1) Min found a suspicious parameter in the snake configuration file. | ||
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2) Discuss the optics rates he calculated. | 2) Discuss the optics rates he calculated. | ||
https://jlabsvn.jlab.org/svnroot/halla/groups/g2p/Rates/g2p_optics_rate.pdf | https://jlabsvn.jlab.org/svnroot/halla/groups/g2p/Rates/g2p_optics_rate.pdf | ||
| − | Jixie will cross check it | + | Jixie will cross check it off-line and make a final report to the target group. |
Pengjia: | Pengjia: | ||
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there is one super-harp and one regular harp in HallA. The super hard can have | there is one super-harp and one regular harp in HallA. The super hard can have | ||
a resolution of micrometer level, but the regular one is estimated to have the | a resolution of micrometer level, but the regular one is estimated to have the | ||
| − | resolution of 800 | + | resolution of 800 micrometers. G2P need to have 2 super-harp, which is costly. |
| − | He | + | He suggested to seek for improvement or better solution. |
2) Suggested to do a survey for the target field if possible. | 2) Suggested to do a survey for the target field if possible. | ||
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another stays in the hall. Need to ask Alex|John or do a measurement to verify this. | another stays in the hall. Need to ask Alex|John or do a measurement to verify this. | ||
3) Alex or John will work on the BPM test plan | 3) Alex or John will work on the BPM test plan | ||
| − | 4) JP suggested | + | 4) JP suggested Pengjia looking into the PREX data for the BPM block to learn about the BPM. |
Min: | Min: | ||
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This is a configuration file to control the trajectory: | This is a configuration file to control the trajectory: | ||
http://www.jlab.org/~mhuang/g2p/mudifi/g2p_traj2.dat | http://www.jlab.org/~mhuang/g2p/mudifi/g2p_traj2.dat | ||
| − | (This file was also used by SNAKE to create the | + | (This file was also used by SNAKE to create the trajectories. |
For detail how to read this file, refer to the SNAKE MENU | For detail how to read this file, refer to the SNAKE MENU | ||
https://jlabsvn.jlab.org/svnroot/halla/groups/g2p/SNAKE/Snake_manual.pdf ) | https://jlabsvn.jlab.org/svnroot/halla/groups/g2p/SNAKE/Snake_manual.pdf ) | ||
Revision as of 10:16, 17 March 2011
Minutes of the weekly analysis meetings
3/16/2011: Present: Kalyan, Jixie, Melissa, Min, Chao, Pengjia, Karl, Maxime, Ryan, Phone: James
- Kalyan:
1) Searching for probability to put 3rd arm and 4th arm (simple
electron detector). Work with Jixie and found the best location for the 3rd
arm and the 4th arm already. https://hallaweb.jlab.org/dvcslog/g2p/29
2)Checked with Alan and found out that there is no space left for an extra electron detector. Decided not to use 4th arm.
- Min:
1) Succeeded to fit SNAKE trajectories. Add X0 dependence and refit again.
2) Will repeat the fit procedure using various end plane requested by Jixie.
For example, fit to get the transportation function between the following 2 end planes: target and Septum exit, target and Q1 entrance, target and Q1 exit,
target and Q2 entrance ... and so on. These routines will be used in
the G4 program to eliminate particles which hit the HRS wall.
3) Jixie request Min to verify the validity of the transportation functions and reverse functions.
- Jixie:
1) G4 program is ready to run for 12.5 degrees. For 6 degree still
need Min's transportation functions. Currently use the transportation
routines of GDH experiment.
2) The reconstruction for current program does not work. Waiting for the
reverse functions.
3)Asked Min to check the validity and provide the transportation routines.
4)Gave a tutorial to students about how to run the G4 program. Jixie agreed to
post some document in the elog.
- Maxime:
1) Tried to estimate the minimum size of the raster for CH2 target. Maxime changed to used the collision energy of the beam as the heat source. In his last calculation he used the ionization energy loss. He had sent his result to Chris Keith for comments.
- Ryan:
1)Recalculate some of the kinematics in the proposal using some new thickness of materials which an electron will see. The results does not various too much from those in the proposal. Ryan will post his calculation into the elog later.
- Toby:
1)Learning the Hall A softwares.
- Pengjia:
1) Finished the estimation of the g2 uncertainty due to the target field miss aligment. https://hallaweb.jlab.org/dvcslog/g2p/13 2) Will perform a BCM test in the beam line with Alex very soon.
- Chao:
1)Use QFS to calculate the dilution factor. Still debugging the program.
3/09/2011: Present : Jixie, Melissa, Min, Chao, Pengjia, Jianping, Maxime, Kalyan
- Penjia:
1) Finished BCM calibration for SRC
2) Plan to modified Bob's code to read scaler variables for BCM calibration
3) Still working on calculating the g2 uncertainty due to the target spin. He
managed to download MAID dsTT and dsTL cross section from web
- Min:
1) Generated trajectories in SNAKE and managed to fit it with MULDIFI. Add a new
routine pyfit into the reverse functions. She ran a program to translate the fortran
routines to c++.
2) There is currently no x0 dependence in the DULDIFI. Min plan to add this feature.
Jixie mentioned that this should not be the priority job to do.
- Chao:
1) Checked the epc code, he can reproduce all the plots shown in the paper. That means the cross section Kalyan calculated for proton is correct. JP and Kalyan did a quick check and verify that the cross section from epc is consistent with the data of previous Hall A experiment, 3He(e,e'D).
- Kalyan:
1) Worked with Chao to verify epc code
2) Suggested to change to a big meeting room
3) Working on the third arm
- Maxime:
1) Calculate the temperature of CH2 with and without the raster. Tried to find out
if we can use CH2 as the optics target. His calculation shows that 50 mil CH2 will
be at 136K (temperature in the center) if hitted by 150 nA 1.0 GeV Beam.
Check his report for details https://hallaweb.jlab.org/dvcslog/g2p/27
2) Maxime will estimate what will be the minimum size of the raster.
- Jixie:
1) Geant4 simulation program HRSMC v0.92 released
2) The optics rate and local beam dump opening analysis has been redone with the
new HRSMC. A few entries had been made into the Elog. Check the elog for details
3) Did a quick look at the electrons reach the HRS focus plane and also hit the coils.
check this link https://hallaweb.jlab.org/dvcslog/g2p/30
4) Jixie and Kalyan look into the ep elastic events in the G4 simulation. we tried to
find out where is the best place to put the 3rd arm and the 4th arm(if possible).
check this entry for detail: https://hallaweb.jlab.org/dvcslog/g2p/29
3/02/2011: Present : Jixie, Melissa, Min, Chao, Pengjia, Jianping, Maxime By Phone: Karl
- Pengjia:
1) Pengjia practiced the BPM test with the cavity BPM used in PREX this week during SRC experiment (The low current BPM test is supposed to be done by John. Currently we do not know the status of it. Pengjia will contact will john to find out the status.)
2) The N-Delta experiment (one of the SRC experiments) will have their BCM test and calibration soon. JP suggested Pengjia to practice and follow up.
3) JP suggested Pengjia to talk to Alex and find out the test plan(when, where and how)
4) Pengjia encountered with problems in HAPEX electronics. One port of the DAQ does not give correct signal except the pile up. He need to solve the problem and gain experience.
5) Pengjia is still working on the G2 uncertainty due to the target spin.
6) Pengjia need to find out the ratio of g1 to g2. Karl agreed to help him to get start with the MAID model.
- Min: Just back from her shifts in TUNL(DUKE). Will work on SNAKE and MULDIFI to get transportation packages.
- Chao: Showed his study on the packing factor/dilution. It was shown that the 1st order
of g2 did not depend on dilution factor.
- Jixie:
1) Mentioned the Geant4 v0.9 released. For how to use this program, refer to this web: http://www.jlab.org/~jixie/HallA/G2P_G4Sim_V0.9_ReleaseNote/ http://www.jlab.org/~jixie/HallA/HRSMC/Menu/
2) Jixie will try to find out if we need a full size of C12 target to study the acceptance dependence on beam position.
3) Jixie will estimate how long the CH2 will survive with and wothout raster. Jp suggensted not to spend too long to get a accurate number on this estimation.
- Kalyan: Just recovered from the RC status. Will continue working on the 3rd arm.
2/23/2011: Present : Jixie, Melissa, Min, Chao, Pengjia, Jianping, Alex, Masime By Phone: Karl, Ryan and Toby
- Min:
1) Min found a suspicious parameter in the snake configuration file. She found that the target field was rotated 96 degrees which make the target field orientation to a suspicious direction. She need to spend more time to understand the snake coordinate system and focus on the snake program.
- Karl:
1)The jlabs2 is retire or will be retire very soon, so as the jlabs3. We have to make snake run in Linux box. 2)Setup the evo meeting system from next meeting so people can understand what is going on from remote
Ryan: Working on the radiation correction code. The code is now able to compile. This program will be used to calculate the radiation tail.
Karl's another student is trying to setup working environment and learn Hall A analyzer.
Jixie: 1) Released the Geant4 simulation program HRSMC version 0.9. For details refer to
http://www.jlab.org/~jixie/HallA/G2P_G4Sim_V0.9_ReleaseNote/
There are some picture inside to show the rates for various settings.
2) Discuss the optics rates he calculated. https://jlabsvn.jlab.org/svnroot/halla/groups/g2p/Rates/g2p_optics_rate.pdf Jixie will cross check it off-line and make a final report to the target group.
Pengjia: 1) Show his calculation of g2 uncertainty due to the small deviation of the target spin. But he need to spend more time to think about his calculation.
2/16/2011: Present : Kalyan, Jixie, Melissa, Min, Chao, Pengjia, Jianping, Karl(phone), Alex, Maxime
- Alex: Found out some electronic device (preamplifier) broken through BCM test. Alex and Pengjia will try to test it again after it fixed.
- Penjia:
1) Penjia is looking into the analyzer get information of BCM|BPM from PREX data. Documentation is hard to find. Alex will help to search for some document.
- JP:
1) BPM: should push to have BPM electronic tested. JP recently found out that there is one super-harp and one regular harp in HallA. The super hard can have a resolution of micrometer level, but the regular one is estimated to have the resolution of 800 micrometers. G2P need to have 2 super-harp, which is costly. He suggested to seek for improvement or better solution.
2) Suggested to do a survey for the target field if possible.
- Jixie:
1) Upgraded the G4 simulation program to add septum entrance window and sieve slit. Jixie tried to use the G4 program to get the rates for optics but not ready to get result yet. 2) Jixie will get rates by Thursday from single arm simulation program.
- Min:
1) Min showed her simulation result about the optics rate. Some small problem need to be solved. She will work with Jixie to get the final rates out.
- Kalyan:
1) Continue working on checking the possibility for the 3rd arm. He is looking into the real data to get the dilution factor.
2/09/2011: Present : Kalyan, Jixie, Melissa, Min Huang, Chao Gu, Pengjia Zhu, Jianping Chen, Karl(phone), Alex
- Pengjia:
1) Finish cabling for the cavity BPM in the hall. This cavity BPM has been used in PREX, we are now going to test it to see if it works for G2P and how well it goes. 2) Kalyan raise question about the signal splitter of the BCM if it is an active one or passive one. This splitter was used to split BCM signal into 2 lines: one is connected to the counting house another stays in the hall. Need to ask Alex|John or do a measurement to verify this. 3) Alex or John will work on the BPM test plan 4) JP suggested Pengjia looking into the PREX data for the BPM block to learn about the BPM.
Min: 1) Min showed the status about studying MUDIFI. This is a configuration file to control the trajectory: http://www.jlab.org/~mhuang/g2p/mudifi/g2p_traj2.dat (This file was also used by SNAKE to create the trajectories. For detail how to read this file, refer to the SNAKE MENU https://jlabsvn.jlab.org/svnroot/halla/groups/g2p/SNAKE/Snake_manual.pdf )
Jian-ping:
1) Reminded that we need a draft of the run plan .
2) Need to decide what kind of target we want and provide the information to the target group in a week.
Jixie need to work hard to get a the result quickly.
Jixie: 1) Need to confirm with Josh what the design of current target stick is. How many target cells we can have: is it 4 large cell + 2 small cell? (2 large cells for NH3, 1 large cell for cross? 1 large cell remains empty for beam tuning?......) A)Is there any space below the bottom of the stick to use as the empty target? B)We need to find out what king of design we want and tell them.
2) Jixie need to check the following quickly: A)need to study how the target thickness affect resolution (run single arm simulation) B)Run simulation to decide what target is best for optics, C12, CH2 or Ta? (check rates, angle resolution ...)
3) Working on the Geant4 simulation: A) Continue working on the radiation background project, need beam dump shape and geometry information B) Add the following exist HRS transportation packages: (Septum+HRS) and HRS. Later on will add TargetField+HRS) and (TargetFiled+Septum+HRS) if they are ready
2/02/2011: Present : Kalyan, Jixie, Alex, Min, Pengjia, Jianping, Karl(phone)
- Kalyan:
1) Kalyan is searching for possibility to place a 3rd arm to detector either the elastic electron or elastic proton (or both). This time he showed the estimate rates to detect the electrons at 42 degrees. Please refer to https://hallaweb.jlab.org/dvcslog/g2p/11 for details.
2) He also showed some real data at 45 degrees from BigBite http://www/~kalyan/g2p/meetings/02feb2011/
Summary: a) Electron detection at 42deg is only good for 1.1GeV, for rest of energies the rates are very low(its hopeless) b) Protons can be detected around 75deg but the S/N is very low. So may need to put a small scintillator at small angle to give coincidence with hadron arm and reduce background.
JP: 1) Discuss if we need to run Compton at such a low current. Considering the facts that A)tuning the beam through the Compton chicane always takes time, B)the Compton may not work efficiently in such a low current and low beam energy c)It takes longer time to run moller if the beam go through the Compton chicane we may not want to run Compton during G2P. But we may run it for 3.3 GeV beam at the end if time allows.
2) Discuss about the NMR coils. We did not understand the uncertainty and effects of the "uniform" NMR or that of the "edge" NMR. He suggested to verify which is better and what is the effects compare to the EG4 data. We need to run simulation to understand the radiation effect of that. A quick way i
- Pengjia:
1) Plan to write tech note for the Beam Position Measurement 2) He gave a presentation about beam position calibration, see the slice here: http://www.jlab.org/~pzhu/report0202.pptx
- Min:
1) Will work on the 3rd arm with Kalyan, she will look into the Bigbite performance in the SRC experiment 2) Continue working on snake and MUDIFI program
- Jixie:
1) Show some visualization figures for the Geant4 simulation. Currently there is some bug on the transverse configuration. Jixie is working on that. 2) Will simulate the NMR coil for radiation.
1/26/2011: Present : Kalyan, Jixie, Melissa, Alex, Min, Pengjia, Jianping, Karl(phone)
- Jixie:
1)The coil will block almost half of the acceptance of one arm for the configuration that the field is 80 degrees with the beam and HRS at 6 degrees. Refer to https://hallaweb.jlab.org/dvcslog/g2p/9 for details. For HRS at 12.5 degrees, only single arm data will be available. Need to mention this to Doug and Guy. Alan is waiting for the decision to finalize the design for the scattering chamber entrance window. 2)Still waiting for input of beam dump for the Geant4 simulation
- Kalyan: Search for probability of the 3rd arm. Inelastic cross sections have been shown here: https://hallaweb.jlab.org/dvcslog/g2p/5
For 74 degree and solid angle 60 mSr: The elastic Pr rate is about 4 kHz; the total inelastic rate for Pr in momentum range 0.25-0.4 is about 270 kHz.
Need to find out a way to reduce the inelastic rates. Increase the momentum range to 0.280Gev/c may help...
- Jp: About the BCM|BPM of the beam line, Jlab may pay 60K for it???
- Pengjia: Talked about the target cooling took place at UVA. The
maximum field provided by UVA solenoid is 5.0032 Tesla. He showed some pictures of the solenoid, the microwave generator, the pump system. The target was cooled down pretty smooth. He will summarized it and put it onto the web for next meeting.
- Min: Working on the MULDFI program. Discussing the effects introduced by the 2cm raster. Angle resolution is more important than the position resolution.
1/19/2011: Present : Kalyan, Jixie, Melissa, Karl, Min
- Kalyan : Working on third arm elastic rates. Looking at 2 options,
both on beam left: 1) Bigbite detecting protons at 74 degrees. Issues: manpower to install, no identified power supply and possible issue of overtaxing the power budget to the hall (Ed Folts). Guy may have power supply at Berkely. Jixie will follow up to see if power budget is real problem. 2) A small calorimeter at 42 degrees to be used as electron detector on the platform about 2 m from the can. Pros: simple design, little tech support needed. Cons: rate will be very low. PMTs near target field might have problems. Goal is to have a decision to present at the next collab meeting.
- Jixie: Working on the Geant4 simulation. Has created scattering
chamber and included the UVa target field map. Waiting for more information on the beam dump design. Initial goal is to look at radiation in the hall. Intermediate goal is to look at acceptance blockage by the target coils. Later, will be able to look at physics and issue of radiative tails at low Q2. Jixie will talk to Whitney Armstrong from Temple who created a geant 4 simulation of the target for SANE. Jixie is working with Min on SNAKE. John having difficulty to transfer code from solaris to linux. Will talk to Doug about impact of acceptance blockage on gep (target at 80 deg) for 12.5 degrees scattering.
- Min: Working on the fitting for SNAKE. Also interested to get
involved with the 3rd arm study.
- Melissa: Starting to look at target and detectors.
- All: Discussion of manpower and projects in need of manpower.
