G2p Analysis Minutes
Minutes of the weekly analysis meetings
Contents
7/17/2013
Present: Vince, Chao, Min, Jixie, Kalyan
By Phone: Ellie, Alex, Toby, Moshe, Pengjia, Karl
Feature presentations:
- Pengjia:
- Present the pedestal as a function of time for the whole data sets. The pedestal were
drifting along time, they are not stable at all. Currently Pengjia subtract only the averaged pedestal
of a period of time to reconstruct beam position. He will need to do the subtraction run by run.
- Also presented are the BPM calibration against Harp for 100, 75 and 50 nA. It seems that the
calibration for 50 nA need to be redone. He also shown that the calibration constant is sensertive to
beam current, whenever the beam tripped and then the beam position is not stable during the current was
rampping up. - See detail here.
- Present the pedestal as a function of time for the whole data sets. The pedestal were
- Moshe:
- Working on an event generator for simulation. Right now he is working on the energy loss caculation.
He mentioned that the energy loss result from EStar does not agree with that from Geant4.
- He is also trying to get cross section models for helium-4 and nigogen-14. He has QFS model
in hand but this model is known to be poor. Vince agreed to provided him some N-14
data and Moshe will try to compare P.Bosted's model with Vince's data. - See his presentation here.
- Working on an event generator for simulation. Right now he is working on the energy loss caculation.
7/10/2013
Present: Vince, Chao, Min, Jixie, Melissa
By Phone: Ellie, Ryan, Toby, Moshe, Pengjia, Karl
Feature presentations:
- Chao
- Gave an update and summary of the helicity decoder There were a couple of bugs that needed to be fixed,
including the one bit delay. Also, the ring buffer creates a set of unused, extra events at the beginning of each
run, which will now be marked as an error. Finally, there was an alignment issue when inserting helicity information
back into the rootfile. These issues should all be fixed now. When using the decoder, the variable that should be
used to obtain the correct helicity of an event is "hel_act", and all events with hel_error /= 0 should be cut out. - Also working on improving the decoder to deal with beam trip cuts. The cut should be made in units of helicity
patterns, so time information (from the fast clock) will be added to help make these cuts. His slides can be found here.
- Gave an update and summary of the helicity decoder There were a couple of bugs that needed to be fixed,
- Melissa
- Gave a summary of her method to determine raw asymmetries including the applied cuts and method for extracting
the asymmetry. However, the issue with the helicity decoder described in Chao's talk means that the results shown are
not reliable. Concern was expressed over the error bars shown, she will carefully check this when she re-does the
analysis with the correct helicity information. Her slides can be seen here.
- Gave a summary of her method to determine raw asymmetries including the applied cuts and method for extracting
- Min
- Updated the LHRS optics calibration by including beam trip cuts and using the latest bpm information from Pengjia.
The results seem better! Cuts still need to be applied for when the beam moves. Since BPMB is not always stable, she
thought about just using BPMA to calculate the beam position at the target. Vince suggested that by correcting for the
beam movement the poor resolution in BPM B might be less significant and Min could still get reasonable results. Her
slides can be found here.
- Updated the LHRS optics calibration by including beam trip cuts and using the latest bpm information from Pengjia.
7/3/2013
Present: Kalyan, Chao, Min, Melissa
By Phone: Ellie, Ryan, Toby, Pengjia, Alex
Feature presentations:
- Ryan
- Updated the MySQL database to include Jie's results from multi-track analysis and Toby's results from target
polarization analysis. This information is also now included in the ROOT library. Also fixed several bugs that caused
missing information for some runs in the database. He is also working on helicity dependent deadtime analysis.
His slides can be seen here.
- Updated the MySQL database to include Jie's results from multi-track analysis and Toby's results from target
- Pengjia
- Gave an update on BPM analysis. He compared two techniques to reduce noise in the pedestal; applying a filter
and taking the average of every two seconds of data. The two methods seem to give similar results. For next time
he will look at how the change in current affects the position, and how using a 2Hz filter affects the mean value of
the BPM. His slides can be seen here.
- Gave an update on BPM analysis. He compared two techniques to reduce noise in the pedestal; applying a filter
- Toby
- Finished writing a technote for the target polarization analysis and will be looking for feedback soon. He will also
start preparing for a second round of farm replay, since no event-type information exists in the rootfiles currently.
- Finished writing a technote for the target polarization analysis and will be looking for feedback soon. He will also
6/25/2013
Present: Karl, JP, Chao, Kalyan, Min, Melissa
By-Phone: Ryan, Toby, Ellie, Pengjia, Alex, Moshe
General Discussion:
- Ryan will submit an abstract for a general g2p talk for the DNP meeting this fall.
Feature presentations:
- Chao
- Gave an update on optics simulation package. He showed the results of comparing the reconstructed and thrown
variables from simulation to see if he could reproduce the central value of delta, theta and phi. He determines the
average for each variable by taking the average of each point and weighting by the cross section. Currently, his
reconstruction stops at the target plane with z=0, which assumes that the target is symmetric along the z-direction.
He needs to find a careful way to correct for this. His presentation can be found here
- Gave an update on optics simulation package. He showed the results of comparing the reconstructed and thrown
- Min
- Gave an update of LHRS optics calibration. She worked with Pengjia to get the bpm package with filter working
for ifarm replay (only LHRS for now, RHRS will be working soon). She used the updated bpm information to update
her results for straight-thru optics. She found that the results for theta were larger by a factor of ~3. She will try to
figure out if this is a result of the bpm filter or something else. She will also update her results to include cuts for
beam trips and beam moves. Her presentation can be found here
- Gave an update of LHRS optics calibration. She worked with Pengjia to get the bpm package with filter working
- Melissa
- Gave a followup on beam charge asymmetries. She updated her results to include beam trip cuts to compare with
Pengjia's results. The effect of adding the beam trip cuts is small (~ >0.05%), and Pengjia and Melissa's results agree
within ~1% or less. She also showed a comparison between results taken from ring buffer data and happex data.
There is a >1% difference between the two systems. Her slides can be seen here
- Gave a followup on beam charge asymmetries. She updated her results to include beam trip cuts to compare with
6/19/2013
Present: Karl, JP, Vince, Jixie, Ellie, Kalyan, Chao, Jie, Min, Melissa
By-Phone: Ryan, Toby, Pengjia, Alex
Feature presentations:
- Ryan
- Gave a recap of the y-target calibration for the LHRS. Last time he showed that he got strange results
during the optimization, specifically for the (0,0) and (-4,0) settings. By using a different run for
the (-4,0) setting he was able to improve the results. He then tried maximizing the event number per hole,
while still keeping the number of events approximately the same per hole. This improved the resolution of
the results. He also tried increasing the order of the optimization in the database. This also improved
the resolution, but may not be a reasonable solution since increasing the order can over constrain the matrix.
His presentation can be found here.
- Gave a recap of the y-target calibration for the LHRS. Last time he showed that he got strange results
- Pengjia
- Gave an update on BPM analysis. He is currently rewriting the insert and calibration piece of the
beampackage to include the new filter method presented last time. - Also working on a beam move check that uses rms detection for fast beam moves, looks at current trip
information, and splits events if the beam moves more than 0.3mm. He is still debugging this. He
also discussed pedestal subtraction for the bpm calibration. The pedestal shown was quite wide and had
multiple peaks. Pengjia will study this more to determine if this behavior is consistent through all runs,
or if this was a specific period when conditions were changing. His presentation can be found here.
- Gave an update on BPM analysis. He is currently rewriting the insert and calibration piece of the
- Toby
- Worked with Josh and James to determine that there was in fact a bug in the online code to determine
target polarizations. This means the 2.5T polarization is actually ~50% of what was reported online.
This does not affect the 5T results. - Showed details for his method of determining the TE points. He takes the time reported online for the
TE as the approximate start time, does a 0th order fit of the points and looks at the chi-squared value.
He then adds points until he finds the end point of the TE. Finally, he adds points at the beginning of
the TE to minimize the chi-squared value. The polarization is then averaged over each run. He questioned
how the polarization decay contributes to the uncertainty for each run, since the poarization is actually
decaying over each run. JP suggested using the average of the decay curve to determine this. Toby's
presentation can be found here.
- Worked with Josh and James to determine that there was in fact a bug in the online code to determine
- Jie
- Has completed the efficiency study for multi-track events. This information will be in the mysql
database soon. - Also working on data quality checks for optics variables. He looked at the t0 calibration first. One
concern is how "negative time" events are being dealt with. Jie will check that they aren't being cut out.
He also looked at the transport and rotated x,y,theta and phi variables. Within each kinematic settings,
these varibales look stable over all production runs. Jie will take a closer look the elastic settings next.
His presentation can be found here.
- Has completed the efficiency study for multi-track events. This information will be in the mysql
6/12/2013
Present: Karl, JP, Vince, Jixie, Chao, Jie, Min, Alexandre, Kalyan, Melissa
By-Phone: Ellie, Toby, Ryan, Moshe, Pengjia
Feature presentations:
- Chao
- Has fixed the bit-shift problem in the offline helicity decoder. The next round of farm replay will
have correct helicity information.
- Has fixed the bit-shift problem in the offline helicity decoder. The next round of farm replay will
- Melissa
- Showed a comparison between her and Pengjia's results for beam charge asymmetries. The results
show ~0.5% difference. It's possible that the beam trip cuts that Pengjia used is the reason for this
difference. Her presentation can be found here.
- Showed a comparison between her and Pengjia's results for beam charge asymmetries. The results
- Min
- Showed an update of angle and vertex matrix calibration results using previous bpm calibrations. The results
are not better. She is still working on improving it by applying beam current cuts and beam position cuts.
She will also try using a different run to optimize that has the same conditions but a more stable current
She will check that the beam position is also stable during this run. Her slides can be found here
- Showed an update of angle and vertex matrix calibration results using previous bpm calibrations. The results
6/5/2013
Present: Karl, Vince, Kalyan, Chao, Jie, Min, Melissa
By-Phone: Ellie, Toby, Ryan, Moshe, Guy, Pengjia
General discussion:
- There will be a practice talk for Min's Hall A Collaboration Meeting talk sometime soon (Friday or Monday?)
Feature presentations:
- Moshe
- Gave an update on the status of GEp analysis. He did a first round of analysis without calibrations,
to determine a general procedure for analysis. He showed preliminary results for elastic peak
identification, binning optimization, dilution factors and asymmetry extraction. He is also working
on writing a GEp event generator for HRSMC. His presentation can be found here. - Details of status of GEp analysis can be found in this document, written by Moshe.
- Gave an update on the status of GEp analysis. He did a first round of analysis without calibrations,
- Pengjia
- Working on improving BPM resolution. He added a low pass, software FIR filter when processing
the data, which seems to work very well. The previous results were 7-8X larger then the results that
have been processed with the filter. He is working on incorporating this into his beampackage code,
and will repeat his BPM noise study using the filter. Will also check if the central value changes at all
as a result of the filter. His presentation can be found here.
- Working on improving BPM resolution. He added a low pass, software FIR filter when processing
- Ryan
- Working on the LHRS Y-target calibration. He optimized 3 runs in the 2.2 GeV (0T, 6deg) setting
with different beam positions; (4,0), (0,0), (-4,0). The results seemed strange, specifically for the (0,0)
and (-4,0) settings. He first tried optimizing each run individually, which gives results that make sense.
He then tried optimizing them in pairs, and got reasonable results except for the combination of (0,0)
and (-4,0). Finally, he tried to check these results using other runs with the same beam positions, but
found that during these optics runs, the beam position was never moved back to (0,0). Vince pointed
out that the typical resolution for y-target is ~1mm, so these results may be ok. Ryan's presentation
can be found here.
- Working on the LHRS Y-target calibration. He optimized 3 runs in the 2.2 GeV (0T, 6deg) setting
- Toby
- Showed updated target polarization calibration constants. He decided to use a 3rd order polynomial
to fit the wings of the baseline-subtracted signal. It's possible that the discrepancy between using a
2nd and 3rd order polynomial could result from the signal "bleeding" into the wings. He described his
method for minimizing the reduced chi-squared to find the TE points. He starts with a set of 15 points
where the target is most thermalized, and adds points from the beginning/end of the TE to further reduce
the chi-squared. - He also found that the 2.5T calibration constants found offline are ~50% smaller than what was determined
online. He will work closely with James/Josh to confirm that this really is a problem. His presentation can
be found here.
- Showed updated target polarization calibration constants. He decided to use a 3rd order polynomial
- Jie
- Showed an updated version of multi-track efficiency analysis. He determined that his new method of
including background cuts is not as reliable as his previous method to determine uncertainty. By including
background cuts, the systematic uncertainty is decreased by about 20%, but it very position dependent, so
he suggests staying with his previous results. His presentation can be found here.
- Showed an updated version of multi-track efficiency analysis. He determined that his new method of