PVDIS analysis and meeting minutes

12/02/201112/09/2011
10/13/201110/21/201110/28/201111/04/201111/11/201111/18/2011
07/25/201109/02/201109/16/201109/23/2011 09/29/2011 10/07/2011
05/31/2011 06/13/2011 06/20/2011 07/05/2011 07/11/2011 07/18/2011
03/21/2011 03/28/2011 04/04/2011 05/02/2011 05/09/2011 05/23/2011
01/31/2011 02/07/2011 02/14/2011 02/28/2011 03/07/2011 03/14/2011
11/19/2010 12/03/2010 12/17/2010 01/03/2011 01/10/2011 01/24/2011
10/08/201010/18/201010/22/201010/29/201011/05/201011/15/2010
08/30/201009/03/201009/10/201009/17/201009/24/201010/01/2010
05/19/201005/26/201006/23/201006/30/201007/14/201007/21/2010
03/29/2010 (M)04/07/2010 (W)04/14/2010 (W) 04/21/2010 (W)04/28/2010 (W)05/05/2010
01/21/201001/12/201012/23/200903/08/2010 (M) 03/12/2010 (F) 03/22/2010 (M)

   
  • 12/02/2011
  • Present: Kai Pan, Diancheng Wang, Xiaochao Zheng, Paul Reimer (phone)
    • Diancheng:
      1. posted an entry on the first result of radiative corrections: entry #120. Below are comments and suggestions:
        1. The numbers on each histogram (page 2-4) are fractional events that come from the corresponding model (quasi-elastic, elastic, resonance table from theorists, DIS, or toy models).
        2. To better demonstrate the simulation, should add a Q2 plot, and color coding and decomposition of both the Q2 and the W histograms (red for Lee/Sato table, green for Misha's table, blue for DIS, magenta for elastic, something else for quasi-elastic, etc..)
        3. Misha's table covers less than Lee/Sato for the Delta(1232), but covers the majority of the rest of the resonance AND extend all the way to DIS.
        4. page 2 (resonance kine #3, centered on Delta 1232): 
          1. The toy model does not seem to work for the Delta region, as can be seen from the summary table.
          2. Lee/Sato's table seems to be very close to Misha's table;
          3. Our measured asymmetry is 2 sigma away from the simulation.
        5. page 3 (DIS kine #1):
          1. need to understand why there is a 4ppm difference between the two tables. Adding a row of "using DIS only" would help. Diancheng will do event-by-event comparison in order to trace down the difference.
        6. page 4 (DIS kine #2):
          1. now the difference between the two tables is only 0.6ppm. Will analyze this the same way as page 2 (see above);
          2. There is also a 3ppm difference between the A_<Q2> (supposed to be the point calculation at the apparent Q2), and the radiation-OFF <Asym>. We do not understand where this is coming from, and why we do now see this difference on page 3. 
            1. An additional row of "using DIS only" in the summary table would help;
            2. A simple analysis of whether the Q2-dependence of the asymmetry can cause this difference will help (here, can  plot a histogram of Q2, and a Q2-weighted histogram of Q2. The relative change in the MEAN value would cause a difference in A_<Q2apparent> and <Asym_radOFF>.
          3. From the summary tables on page 3-4, the radiative correction seems to be 2-3ppm for our production data. This is smaller than Xiaochao expected, but perhaps a good news for the analysis.
      2. Out last discussion on how to perform the acceptance and radiative corrections was on 05/09/2011. As pointed out above, the acceptance correction for our experiment is not as straightforward as HAPPEX, since as soon as we do full acceptance calculation, some resonance events come in and we have to use certain resonance models (not DIS). Thus we have to separate whether the correction is from the acceptance, or resonance models, or the Q2-dependence of the asymmetry.
      3. Still working on summarizing the timing simulation and working on the tagger+deadtime results.
    • Kai: 
      1. Met Kent last Thursday to discuss about the asymmetry analysis. Kent suggested additional plots to study dithering/regression and Kai is working on those.
      2. posted entry #121 on electron contamination of the pion triggers.
        1. Instead of including some "grass" in the fbTDC of the PVDIS pion trigger, now only cut on the main peak. However, cutting on the main peak seems to reduce the electron contamination by a factor of 10, which would not be sufficient to explain the observed pion asymmetry.
        2. This raised the question of how to interpret the grass in the TDC. Since the main peak cut was used in the pion contamination of electron trigger analysis, if we find we should somehow include the grass, then we have to do so also for the pion contamination analysis.
        3. We will review previous minutes and get in touch next Tuesday afternoon.
        4. Studied various fit to find the electron "tail". Poisson did not work, a 9-th order polynomial and a partial Gaussian seems to work, but did not know which one to use. Xiaochao's answer: As long as the fit works and does not behave abnormally when extended beyond the fit range, can use either one  and the difference would can be used as the error on the tail.
    • Xiaochao: Calculated the effect on asymmetry due to higher twist in R_gamma, using R calculations from Roberto Petti <Roberto.Petti@cern.ch> email dated 10/24/2011. Will present results next time.
  • 11/18/2011
  • Present: Kai Pan, Diancheng Wang, Xiaochao Zheng, Robert Michaels (phone), Zhiwen Zhao (phone)
    • Kai: 
      1. updated final pion asymmetries: entry #115
        1. concerning the discriminator threshold drifting, still need to analyze PS/SH spectrum to confirm this (see last week's minutes).
        2. The pion rates between the left and the right arm is different by a factor of ~5.
      2. updated final electron asymmetries: entry #116.
        1. now include slug 18 (and thinks Diancheng's electron results do not include this slug).
      3. Still need to meet Kent to go through these asymmetry results;
      4. Did a first estimate for the effect of electron contamination in the pion measured asymmetry, see entry #118.
        1. effect seems to explain the observed pion asymmetry (order of mag).
        2. need to improve the estimate of the e/pi ratio.
      5. Should learn about radiative corrections within the next month (since Kai is leaving UVa at the end of Dec).
    • Diancheng: 
      1. Posted entry #117 , which is the first overall deadtime correction to the left arm kine #1. 
        1. the deadtime correction is about 1.6-1.7%, smaller than what we thought before;
        2. The fits give non-zero p0, might be due to the low statistics at low currents. Will run longer at 20uA, maybe even add a point near 0 uA.
      2. Right arm is still ongoing.
      3. Preparing a final writeup on the deadtime correction/simulation.
      4. Meanwhile, also picked up a little radiative corrections.
    • Xiaochao: Will update the unblinding page. to reflect recent analysis updates.
  • 11/11/2011
  • Present: Kai Pan, Diancheng Wang, Xiaochao Zheng, Paul Reimer (phone)
    • Kai: 
      1. posted final pion asymmetries: entry #115
        1. the rate drifting (dislpnar/bcm1) is due to discriminator (or Sum8) threshold drifting.
        2. For runs before 14120, left arm pion trigger had mis-aligned timing (total shower low threshold 706 output was too early for the pion VETO). Around run 14120 a 16ns delay was added between the 706 output to the logic module input, correcting this misalignment. This change could result in a chance in the electron contamination of the pion trigger
        3. Still need to estimate the correction to the pion asymmetry from electrons.
      2. doing the final electron asymmetries: entry #116.
        1. the run list is a subset of Diancheng's
        2. has not done the detailed diagnostics. Will do this, then meet with Kent to discuss both electron and pion results.
    • Diancheng: running the high statistics timing simulation and preparing for a summary of this work;
  • 11/04/2011
  • Present: Kai Pan, Diancheng Wang, Xiaochao Zheng, Kent Paschke, Nilanga Liyanage, Paul Reimer (phone), Robert Michaels (phone)
    • Kai: reported on the pion asymmetry work (entry #114)
    • Diancheng: Produced the global deadtime result. Low rate simulations seem to have large statistical uncertainty and should be improved by running longer simulations. Thus simulations for kine #1 is much easier than for kine #2. In general, 1 hour of simulation provides 10msec of simulated data.
    • Xiaochao: posted entry #113 for the effect of electron asymmetry on the pion measured asymmetry.
  • 10/28/2011
  • Present: (?) Kai Pan, Diancheng Wang, Xiaochao Zheng
    • Kai:
    • Diancheng:
    • Xiaochao:
  • 10/21/2011
  • Present: Kai Pan, Diancheng Wang, Kent Paschke, Robert Michaels, Paul Reimer (phone), Xiaochao Zheng
    • Thanks to Bob who drove all the way from JLab for this meeting!
    • Kai: Working on the pull plot and the sigma vs. bcm plots suggested by Kent last week.
    • Diancheng: 
      • has been working on HATS simulation for the final deadtime corrections; 
      • the plots in entry #95 are not the final ones, will need to check this at some point.
    • Xiaochao: commented that for the paper we need to know the asymmetry errors before and after Nov. 28 so we know what numbers to quote for the deadtime correction. But if we quote both values then we may not need a single number for the overall correction
  • 10/13/2011
  • Present: Kai Pan, Diancheng Wang, Kent Paschke, Xiaochao Zheng
    • Kai: was sick most of the week, but updated log entry 109 on pion asymmetries (last two figures only). Now all pion asymmetries were not blinded. 
      • Wierd thing is the kine#2 pion asymmetry is non zero (15ppm level, about 2.5 sigma) and do not flip sign with HWP in/out. Although they average to 0, we should investigate this further.
      • Will update other figures of this entry to reflect the latest change.
      • Need to understand the non-Gaussian tail in left arm kine #1, although we suspect it's simply because of lower beam currents. Will use pull plots to diagnose.
    • Kent: explained the beam energy asymmetry is obtained from Delta x of bpm12 divided by 4m (this is dE/E).
    • Although we are eager to see Diancheng's asymmetry results on pions and also some results from the rad cor, Xiaochao set the priority of this week for Diancheng to be: 
      • generating the final tagger (deadtime) data, complete the corresponding table on this page.
      • generate the revised plots for the NIM paper.
    • Xiaochao: will send the kinematics to Andrei Afanasev, who promised to do internal radiative corrections (point calculation), and generate a 3rd set of tables for our external radiative corrections.
  • 10/07/2011
  • Present: Kai Pan, Diancheng Wang, Robert Michaels (off-site), P. Reimer (off-site) Xiaochao Zheng
    • Checked the blinding part of PAN and Diancheng found that the pion asymmetries were blinded on the right arm (narrow & wide), but not on the left arm (narrow & wide). We removed all pion triggers from both PAN code of Diancheng and Kai after the meeting and will try to be consistent this time: ONLY DIS electron triggers (left and right, narrow and wide) should be blinded in the analysis.

  • 09/29/2011
  • Present: Kai Pan, Diancheng Wang, Robert Michaels (off-site), Xiaochao Zheng
    • Kai:
      • updated log entry 102 to post the (near-)final electron results:
        • Shows about 1-2 ppm difference in both kinematics from Diancheng's numbers (the error bars are 3.x and 5.x ppm, respectively). This is far from ideal (we expect the final results to differ only in 1/100 of the error bar).
        • Todo: will work with Diancheng to cross-check the run lists and the cuts.
      • posted new log entry 109 on pion asymmetries:
        • now discard slug #1 completely and extract run list for all other slugs. Most of slug plot looks very Gaussian, only 1 or 2 slugs are not (did not post plot).
        • kine #1 combined result shows non-Gaussian tail and is far away from zero (-45.79 +/- 7.84)ppm. Diancheng's asymmetry analysis (to do) might help to diagnose whether this is from a bad run, or is due to change in the trigger timing (which effectively change the pion rate or signal contamination) - which would be "normal".
        • kine #2 combined result is almost a perfect Gaussian and exactly zero: (0.53 +/- 4.07)ppm. This triggered the question whether pion asymmetries are blinded. Will check this in the configuration file (and a few of us have the impression that the blinding factor may not apply to all pion triggers at all).
        • The question then is why the left arm/kine #1 shows large asymmetry. This may very well be due to electron contamination: the electrons are only rejected by Gas Cherenkov, then fed to pion triggers. The lead glass do not play a role for pion triggers at all (except to reject low energy background). Also, since we tried to have very clean electron triggers, the pion trigger must had very high electron contamination. For kine #1, the pi/e ratio is low (both calculated and measured), so the effect of electrons is much larger than for kine #2.
        • Todo: simple estimate of electron contamination and correction;
        • Other todo: add wide pion trigger results(?)
      • updated log entry 107 on positron asymmetries:
        • added the run list.
        • only left arm results are included. Right arm Q3 had wrong polarity during this time and then was set to 0 (see this halog).
        • Todo: We should still extract right arm positron asymmetries because the Q3 setting does not affect the main kinematic settings much (only the detailed acceptance shape is modified, see Jin Huang's hall A logbook entry listed in this elog). Also, we are only confirming the asymmetry of the positron being zero, so the acceptance won't matter much here.
        • Todo: should do Gaussian fit and compare with the MEAN value.
      • have not updated log entry #106 yet (see report on log 106 from last week)
    • Diancheng:
      • have been working on coding Misha's new tables. The new tables are huge and adds difficulty to the programming.
    • Xiaochao:
      • Once Kai is on track for the asymmetry analysis, he can get into the work on radiative corrections.
      • Suggested Diancheng to finish the plots needed for the NIM paper (which can be done along with producing off-line tagger results).
  • 09/23/2011
  • Present: Kai Pan, Diancheng Wang, Paul Reimer (off-site), Xiaochao Zheng
    • Kai: posted results on:
      • log 106: transverse asymmetries (unblinded), final.
        • These are narrow triggers. Will post wide trigger results later
        • The combined plot gives different values from the chi2 fit. The chi2 fit results are now posted on the unblinding page. For the combined asymmetry plot, should do Gaussian fits instead of using the MEAN value from root.
      • log 107: positron asymmetries (unblinded), preliminary.
        • The positron results here are unblinded because in order to avoid (0,0) count pairs (which PAN automatically set to -1), the asymmetry is now calculated from the R tree with 10 helicity windows combined. When doing so the blinding factor (applied to the P tree) is no longer valid. The comments at the beginning of the entry ("run#: blinded or unblinded") refer to the status of the P-tree which is irrelevant for the results posted here.
        • need to double check run list and add info on which arm this is.
      • log 108: pi- asymmetries (blinded -- but see 9/29 report, the pion is probablly unblinded), preliminary
        • Found slugs 1-4 all have non Gaussian shape. Starting slug #5 the data quality is much better. The main problem is early data did not have good pion trigger quality.
        • Diancheng suggested that for pion run list, can start from the electron run list and exclude runs that have obvious problem (from halog) or non-obvious ones (by checking the plot of each individual run).
        • Xiaochao suggested while going through all runs, can combine this work with "picking the run list for VDC on runs", etc.
    • Diancheng: still working on radiative corrections.


LONG BREAK, SEVERAL MEMBERS ARE IN CHINA

         Present: Diancheng Wang, Xiaoyan Deng, Paul Reimer (off-site), Xiaochao Zheng          Present: Diancheng Wang, Xiaoyan Deng, Ramesh Subedi, Paul Reimer (off-site), Xiaochao Zheng